[Devin]

Ok, before you laugh too much, I am currently running a 13.0 in the 1/4, at just under 105 mph.

YouTube - Mark VIII Attitude '07

I am posting this because in my searching on here I haven't found much in the way of information regarding my specific intentions, on this site. I have found some information in the vein I am looking for on the Snow site (and that isn't intended to be a dig) and when I ask around on the Mark VIII forum about water/meth injection you'd think I had grown an extra head.

I am currently running a 100 shot of nitrous with a very conservative 5 degrees of timing pulled back. My goal is to drop the nitrous shot to 75 but at the same time not seeing a decrease (or a very small decrease) in my performance. My reasons for doing this are varied and sundry, I can go into detail if you need me to.

I should be able to, if I understand properly, run the timing back to factory and still hit with the 75 shot and also see a modest performance boost simply from the methane. I haven't seen any specific mention of nitrous applications here, and I am curious as to your thoughts and input, especially in regards to which kit you would recommend.

It would also be nice to use the meth during my regular daily driving (NO nitrous at that time, that's reserved for the track) if nothing else so that I can buy cheaper gas.

Thoughts? Observations? Am I smoking crack, or is this a valid strategy?

[Dust]

Not many here are interested in the methanol as a MPG booster. You might want to try the aquamist.co.uk board for that. The methanol, if tuned in right, could probably be the replacement for the fuel side of your nitrous kit. It has been discussed before. The problem you may run into is freezing stuff with the nitrous in the mix.

[Devin]

Fascinating information to be sure, but I don't recall mentioning miles per gallon nor using methanol as a fuel replacement in my questions.

[Devin]

I found this article online. It has been redacted to eliminate any mention of your competitors. Hopefully I can get someone here to read through this and produce some illustrative comments, in particular as to which kit one that would be recommended.

Nitrous Knowledge: Presented by Nitrous Supply
Tech Tips from the Innovator of Nitrous Oxide Injection Written by Mike Thermos Making More Power with Water?

"How compatible are nitrous oxide and water injection?" That is currently the most asked question on the Nitrous Supply tech line. Because of that, I'm dedicating this month's entire column to nitrous and water injection.

For starters, nitrous oxide injection and water injection are very compatible because one enhances and complements the other. In fact, the addition of water injection to your nitrous setup is currently the most logical, most efficient, most economical solution to improved nitrous efficiencies, eventually leading to increased power.

Based on my more than 25 years of experience in researching, developing and perfecting nitrous oxide injection it is a proven fact that only "things" that burn can produce horsepower - "things" that don't burn do not make horsepower. So, the obvious question here is, "How can adding a water-injection system to my nitrous setup make any additional horsepower as water does not burn?" Very true! But, a water injection unit does create improved efficiencies that, ultimately, help your nitrous system produce additional power. Basically, here is the way it works: To make more horsepower we know we have to burn more fuel, so we introduce more fuel into the engine. But, to burn the additional fuel you need to bring in more nitrous. More nitrous comes from the simple installation of bigger jets. But, by burning more fuel, cylinder pressure increases dramatically, while also creating much more heat. With more heat in the cylinder the need arises to get rid of it before it starts to cause detonation of the fuel and/or before it soaks into all of the major components, like the heads, the block and the pistons. An engine gets rid of its heat by transferring heat through the heads, block and pistons into the water jackets and, ultimately, into the radiator. However, most of the heat is dispersed through the exhaust. Consequently, it makes logical sense to introduce something into the engine that will become part of the exhaust process and dissipate heat quickly. That "something" is water injected into an engine by an efficient water-injection unit.

For more on water injection and its compatibility with nitrous oxide, I've enlisted the expertise of ********* of *********. According to *********, the biggest benefit of combining water-methanol injection with nitrous oxide is you can run full timing with increased amounts of nitrous and not have to worry about "hot pockets" or detonation. Water-methanol injection can also increase engine efficiencies in terms of miles per gallon, in addition to producing more power. According to ****, water-methanol injection and nitrous oxide are the perfect 1-2 combination for producing additional, efficient horsepower. When water-methanol injection is combined with nitrous oxide more fuel can be burned, more nitrous can be used, and more power is created. While detonation is minimized, timing does not have to be retarded, combustion is slowed down (similar to the effect of using high-octane fuel) and cylinder pressure and heat are controlled. Basically, with a water-methanol injection system your nitrous setup will become much more efficient, while ultimately, producing much more power.

So, the answer is, yes, water injection is very compatible with nitrous oxide and should be combined with any/all nitrous setups for the ultimate in efficient power gains.

[dvldoc]

I ran 100% meth and removed my fuel side of my nitrous set up because it was stripping my rotors on my SC using race gas because of the high concentration of xylene in it.

Gained .3by running 100% betting my old 12.33 time with no other changes. Plus I still did not have to worry about running lean or using race gas and still still got better times.

So basicaly use it as the fuel side to your nitrous. running 50/50 mix my times were only around .1 to .07 better than with the kit off and running race gas plus the modified wet set up. which had a fuel riser in addition to the fuel solenoid.

[Devin]

Thank you very much for that information. I don't run race gas and my nitrous setup is rather mild, so if I ever move to that type of setup I will certainly now have some idea of a direction to go.

I can only assume that I wasn't being very clear in my original post in regards to the information that I was seeking. I appreciate your time.

[Dust]

Did they ever get a blower setup made for the MKVIII? I had looked into buying one once upon a time, but it was in production I think.

[dvldoc]

Oh missed your other question, Yes you can use alcohol injection to replace premium fuel, tons of N/A people do gas prices are through the roof, why not save yourself money the system pays for itself in gas savings not to mention all the benifits of reduded egt's, steam cleaned motor, full timing at all times ect,ect.

[Devin]

There are a few S/C Marks out there, not a great number but it does happen. There isn't a "kit" as far as I know, so it will always involve an amount of fabrication. Here is an example:

The Mark VIII Message Board - Viewing topic #70335 - 1998 SC Install

At the risk of sounding insistent, I still have NO IDEA which kit I should buy.

[Devin]

OK, I am going to ask this one more time, and if I don't get an answer I am going to go to another vendor, which is what it seems like you guys want anyway.

WHICH KIT SHOULD I BUY FOR A LINCOLN MARK VIII WITH NITROUS?