F-250 Mwm

BR-DIESEL · 11-12-2007

I have a F-250, 97 and it has a very unusual engine. Its a MWM diesel 6 cyl, 4.2 liter, 3 valve per cylinder design and its all mecanical with a bosch VE pump. It's been reworked to put out 450 rwhp with twin turbos and a large intercooler. I really don't know about egts but don´t think its an issue with 45psi boost pressure. I really wan't more power mixing ethanol(we have it here at the pump) and water. So, what kit do I need? Will it improove power? How can I buy it? What size injectors do I need? I wanted progressive but boost build up is instantly.

Rocket468 · 11-15-2007

Our kits are not designed to run E85 thur it. You can run E100 thur it. E85 is what you would get at the pump which also has gasoline in it. E100 is straight ethanol.

dvldoc · 11-15-2007

You can go to the store front and order a kit, Just click the devilsown logo to get there.

If your boost is pretty much instant then you can go with a boost activated Diesel kit. You'll most likely go with the M12 or M14 nozzle.

BR-DIESEL · 11-17-2007

Thanks, for answering. I forgot to mention I'm in Brazil. Here we have 100% ethanol at the pumps on every gas station. I only wanted to make shure what size injectors I would need cause I'm far from you.
I'm upgrading the turbos and injectors so I want to secure I don't blow up my daily toy. Reading other topics I saw you recomended two injectors instalation on the cummins 12v wich is similar to what I have only smaller. Also I'd buy the varycontroler if you instruct me how I could generate a 5v signal. Could it be a TPS or Boost sensor? From where I can get the plain 5v? Does your controler provide that? I'd like to purchase a few more injectors so I'd test on a Dyno wich one is the rigth for the set up I have.

dvldoc · 11-17-2007

Yes you can use any proportional 5v refrence source such as the MAP, MAF (NON-GM) or TPS signal.

Sneeze · 11-20-2007

Not trying to take sales away from the boys here but your totally backwards in your thinking...

Diesel's want water/methanol to control EGT's & and as a plus a bump in HP. With the injection, we can run hotter tunes, advance our timing further, pour massive amounts of fuel in and not burn up pistons and turbo's...

Your first mistake is saying you dont have an EGT probe... this is ABSOLUTELY necessary to preserve turbo life & to tune your engine properly for water/meth. Obviously you dont want the water methanol for EGT control, so perhaps your at the wrong place.

The most bang for your buck is going to be Nitrous Oxide. The kits are slightly more expensive... but the HP your gonna pick up is allot bigger then water/methanol is going to net you. Go a bit further, purchase EFI live for your truck and really burn off the back tires.

I bet if you install an EGT probe on your truck your going to be surprised at how hot it can run with stock tuning and 45 PSI boost.
What type of turbo's are you running?

Its just my 2 cents, water/methanol is amazing for guys sled pulling, towing 18 000 pound trailers up mountain passes, running fuel tunes that with out it would turn pistons to butter... It is definately not the first (or 2nd) step in making your truck haul ass!

dvldoc · 11-20-2007

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Originally Posted by Sneeze

Not trying to take sales away from the boys here but your totally backwards in your thinking...

Diesel's want water/methanol to control EGT's & and as a plus a bump in HP. With the injection, we can run hotter tunes, advance our timing further, pour massive amounts of fuel in and not burn up pistons and turbo's...

Your first mistake is saying you dont have an EGT probe... this is ABSOLUTELY necessary to preserve turbo life & to tune your engine properly for water/meth. Obviously you dont want the water methanol for EGT control, so perhaps your at the wrong place.

The most bang for your buck is going to be Nitrous Oxide. The kits are slightly more expensive... but the HP your gonna pick up is allot bigger then water/methanol is going to net you. Go a bit further, purchase EFI live for your truck and really burn off the back tires.

I bet if you install an EGT probe on your truck your going to be surprised at how hot it can run with stock tuning and 45 PSI boost.
What type of turbo's are you running?

Its just my 2 cents, water/methanol is amazing for guys sled pulling, towing 18 000 pound trailers up mountain passes, running fuel tunes that with out it would turn pistons to butter... It is definately not the first (or 2nd) step in making your truck haul ass!

Nitrous, is a few seconds of power, Methanol last up to a tank full of gas depending on the size of your tank, Methanol/water injection is a ready and steady source of power. Plus the added benifits of the methanol giving you a complete fuel burn, steam clean internals, little to no carbon build up, (keeps that $400 EGR working carbon free) The ease of use and lack of down sides out weights nitrous for a daily driver. That is kind of the reason the majority of TD trucks run water/methanol injection vs nitrous no matter what the company is that makes it.

Nitrous is fun makes more power but that is short lived.

Sneeze · 11-20-2007

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Originally Posted by dvldoc

Nitrous, is a few seconds of power, Methanol last up to a tank full of gas depending on the size of your tank, Methanol/water injection is a ready and steady source of power. Plus the added benifits of the methanol giving you a complete fuel burn, steam clean internals, little to no carbon build up, (keeps that $400 EGR working carbon free) The ease of use and lack of down sides out weights nitrous for a daily driver. That is kind of the reason the majority of TD trucks run water/methanol injection vs nitrous no matter what the company is that makes it.

Nitrous is fun makes more power but that is short lived.

I totally agree with what your saying... Just for the guy who wants it to make power on his diesel and doesn't have an EGT probe... I see it to be a egg before the chicken.

There are building blocks towards making your engine go faster... you have to start with the basics before you can proceed. I see water/methanol as a great addition to my truck... its #1 benifit for me, is EGT control... if your not concerned about EGT's... there are other power adding devices that will by far out perform water methanol. Then, when he has added these other things, he will then be able to get the full benifit out of water/methanol.

dvldoc · 11-21-2007

Oh no arguement on the EGT gauge, Anyone modding a TD should have one. The best set up that is a proving winner is propane/water injection. Propane is just short of nitrous for power adding, is cheaper, last a heck of alot longer, this with other power mods is what most drag TD's are running.

BR-DIESEL · 11-23-2007

Thanks Dvloc and Sneeze. I tottaly agree with you. It sounds dumb looking for more power without an egt gauge. I'l buy it soon. I do like nitrous a lot, but it's short lasting power. The w/m is a wise choice because you add power and help cool the engine down.The nitrous oxide system I had (100 hp shot) busted my turbos. It accelerates the small turbo to fast and snaped the exhaust rotor off. I will get a progressive kit to solve that problem. I just want to know how much w/m size injector you would suggest. I´m in Brazil and is hard buy stuff from out of the coutry. I need to aime rigth.

11-12-2007	#1 (permalink)
BR-DIESEL Water Injection Newb Year: 1997 Make: FORD Model: F-250 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3	F-250 Mwm I have a F-250, 97 and it has a very unusual engine. Its a MWM diesel 6 cyl, 4.2 liter, 3 valve per cylinder design and its all mecanical with a bosch VE pump. It's been reworked to put out 450 rwhp with twin turbos and a large intercooler. I really don't know about egts but don´t think its an issue with 45psi boost pressure. I really wan't more power mixing ethanol(we have it here at the pump) and water. So, what kit do I need? Will it improove power? How can I buy it? What size injectors do I need? I wanted progressive but boost build up is instantly.

11-15-2007	#2 (permalink)
Rocket468 DevilsOwn Staff Year: 2000 Make: Pontiac Model: Grand Prix Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,101	Re: F-250 Mwm Our kits are not designed to run E85 thur it. You can run E100 thur it. E85 is what you would get at the pump which also has gasoline in it. E100 is straight ethanol.

11-15-2007	#3 (permalink)
dvldoc DevilsOwn Staff Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,966	Re: F-250 Mwm You can go to the store front and order a kit, Just click the devilsown logo to get there. If your boost is pretty much instant then you can go with a boost activated Diesel kit. You'll most likely go with the M12 or M14 nozzle. __________________ Currently deployed to Ramadi 1 battalion 12th Marines see you in 8 months.

11-17-2007	#4 (permalink)
BR-DIESEL Water Injection Newb Year: 1997 Make: FORD Model: F-250 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3	Re: F-250 Mwm Thanks, for answering. I forgot to mention I'm in Brazil. Here we have 100% ethanol at the pumps on every gas station. I only wanted to make shure what size injectors I would need cause I'm far from you. I'm upgrading the turbos and injectors so I want to secure I don't blow up my daily toy. Reading other topics I saw you recomended two injectors instalation on the cummins 12v wich is similar to what I have only smaller. Also I'd buy the varycontroler if you instruct me how I could generate a 5v signal. Could it be a TPS or Boost sensor? From where I can get the plain 5v? Does your controler provide that? I'd like to purchase a few more injectors so I'd test on a Dyno wich one is the rigth for the set up I have.

11-17-2007	#5 (permalink)
dvldoc DevilsOwn Staff Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,966	Re: F-250 Mwm Yes you can use any proportional 5v refrence source such as the MAP, MAF (NON-GM) or TPS signal. __________________ Currently deployed to Ramadi 1 battalion 12th Marines see you in 8 months.

11-20-2007	#6 (permalink)
Sneeze Water Injection Newb Year: 2005 Make: Chevy Model: K3500 Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 14	Re: F-250 Mwm Not trying to take sales away from the boys here but your totally backwards in your thinking... Diesel's want water/methanol to control EGT's & and as a plus a bump in HP. With the injection, we can run hotter tunes, advance our timing further, pour massive amounts of fuel in and not burn up pistons and turbo's... Your first mistake is saying you dont have an EGT probe... this is ABSOLUTELY necessary to preserve turbo life & to tune your engine properly for water/meth. Obviously you dont want the water methanol for EGT control, so perhaps your at the wrong place. The most bang for your buck is going to be Nitrous Oxide. The kits are slightly more expensive... but the HP your gonna pick up is allot bigger then water/methanol is going to net you. Go a bit further, purchase EFI live for your truck and really burn off the back tires. I bet if you install an EGT probe on your truck your going to be surprised at how hot it can run with stock tuning and 45 PSI boost. What type of turbo's are you running? Its just my 2 cents, water/methanol is amazing for guys sled pulling, towing 18 000 pound trailers up mountain passes, running fuel tunes that with out it would turn pistons to butter... It is definately not the first (or 2nd) step in making your truck haul ass! __________________ 05 Chevy Duramax LLY 3500 SRW Juice w/ Att, Electric Fans, Boost stick, EGR blocked, Water-Meth, NAPC tranny

11-21-2007	#9 (permalink)
dvldoc DevilsOwn Staff Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,966	Re: F-250 Mwm Oh no arguement on the EGT gauge, Anyone modding a TD should have one. The best set up that is a proving winner is propane/water injection. Propane is just short of nitrous for power adding, is cheaper, last a heck of alot longer, this with other power mods is what most drag TD's are running. __________________ Currently deployed to Ramadi 1 battalion 12th Marines see you in 8 months.

11-23-2007	#10 (permalink)
BR-DIESEL Water Injection Newb Year: 1997 Make: FORD Model: F-250 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3	Re: F-250 Mwm Thanks Dvloc and Sneeze. I tottaly agree with you. It sounds dumb looking for more power without an egt gauge. I'l buy it soon. I do like nitrous a lot, but it's short lasting power. The w/m is a wise choice because you add power and help cool the engine down.The nitrous oxide system I had (100 hp shot) busted my turbos. It accelerates the small turbo to fast and snaped the exhaust rotor off. I will get a progressive kit to solve that problem. I just want to know how much w/m size injector you would suggest. I´m in Brazil and is hard buy stuff from out of the coutry. I need to aime rigth.