new need some help

dodgeboy · 09-07-2008

first this is probably the most informative site ive been on, thanks for the help so far. i still have a couple questions. im working on a 2001 dodge ram with the cummins. it has aem brute force hd intake, cfm+ intake manifold 4 inch down pipe with 5 inch stacks, and a banks ottomind chip. just with those small mods the truck hits 1250 degrees and starts defueling which is good in a bad way. i was originally thinking of going with 2 of the DO10 but on a earlier thread a 6.5 had problems with only 12 gph nozzles. the calculator says around 23.63. i know that ill have to adjust later after driving and dyno time but what do most people have luck with starting off. also all this about controllers. what exactly does map stand for and what does it do? its going to have compound turbos someday so i dont want to limit myself with a controller that doest handle the boost. would a controller that runs off of egts be better for a diesel? also do i need a check valve or solenoid? i know that there is no vaccum in the intake but what about the pressure going the other way? and do you have to have a solenoid to work with a controller or does the controller make the pump run faster or slower? help from every body is appreciated. first forum ever so sorry if to long. what is tags? thanks

Dust · 09-08-2008

The 6.5 and Cummins are different beasts. And all cars are different too, so don't take a different cars numbers and apply them to your's.

MAP stands for Manifold Absolute Pressure. It measures the boost or vacuum in a system. Obviously you wouldn't have vacuum, but that is what it does.

The reading and feeling I have got from TDI club and the diesel place is that the water meth will stop your EGTs from rising, if you spray early. Since the W/M is a "fuel", you would want to match it to your fuel requirements, and not to your EGT requirements. Treat the problem(fuel), not the symptoms(EGT).

The current controller should run anything you want. I think there is a guy here, maybe firstthirdgen running 60 gph. Don't know if he is using the controller, but that shows you what the system can flow

The controller is Pulse Width Modulated, which means that it varies the time that the pump recieves the 12V signal, so yes, the controller would make the pump "faster or slower"

Tags are like keywords so that other people can know what the topic is about.

dodgeboy · 09-11-2008

is the current controller the 2.5 bar and if so what exactly does the 2.5 bar mean. i found a controller from cooling mist that runs off of egts so i might go with that. im not looking for more power, just trying to lower my egts so the truck doesnt defuel, which will in turn produce more power.

pacemkr86 · 09-16-2008

the map sensor style controller, will flow the boost from your turbo..

the meth injection will follow your boost ...

to keep it simple

if you get on it nice and slow and bring the boost in slow, the meth will inject slow..

if you romp down on it hard and fast the injection will do the same.. How much boost are you planning on running?

You would prolly need atleast a 3 bar map sensor

loch · 10-05-2008

I know this is a couple weeks old but. I run 2-18 gph nozzles in my 5.9 first gen. two 12 gph is no where close. But i have a question for you, does banks box control timing and fuel or just one ? If it controls just fuel your egt will jump fast. My truck is an 89 its not intercooled, if i let it it will peg a 1600 egt gauge, but on old ones we dont have the option of timing control like on yours.

09-07-2008	#1 (permalink)
dodgeboy Water Injection Newb Year: 2001 Make: Dodge Model: Ram 2500 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3	new need some help first this is probably the most informative site ive been on, thanks for the help so far. i still have a couple questions. im working on a 2001 dodge ram with the cummins. it has aem brute force hd intake, cfm+ intake manifold 4 inch down pipe with 5 inch stacks, and a banks ottomind chip. just with those small mods the truck hits 1250 degrees and starts defueling which is good in a bad way. i was originally thinking of going with 2 of the DO10 but on a earlier thread a 6.5 had problems with only 12 gph nozzles. the calculator says around 23.63. i know that ill have to adjust later after driving and dyno time but what do most people have luck with starting off. also all this about controllers. what exactly does map stand for and what does it do? its going to have compound turbos someday so i dont want to limit myself with a controller that doest handle the boost. would a controller that runs off of egts be better for a diesel? also do i need a check valve or solenoid? i know that there is no vaccum in the intake but what about the pressure going the other way? and do you have to have a solenoid to work with a controller or does the controller make the pump run faster or slower? help from every body is appreciated. first forum ever so sorry if to long. what is tags? thanks

09-08-2008	#2 (permalink)
Dust Alcohol Holic Year: 1999 Make: Daihatsu Model: Move Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 337	Re: new need some help The 6.5 and Cummins are different beasts. And all cars are different too, so don't take a different cars numbers and apply them to your's. MAP stands for Manifold Absolute Pressure. It measures the boost or vacuum in a system. Obviously you wouldn't have vacuum, but that is what it does. The reading and feeling I have got from TDI club and the diesel place is that the water meth will stop your EGTs from rising, if you spray early. Since the W/M is a "fuel", you would want to match it to your fuel requirements, and not to your EGT requirements. Treat the problem(fuel), not the symptoms(EGT). The current controller should run anything you want. I think there is a guy here, maybe firstthirdgen running 60 gph. Don't know if he is using the controller, but that shows you what the system can flow The controller is Pulse Width Modulated, which means that it varies the time that the pump recieves the 12V signal, so yes, the controller would make the pump "faster or slower" Tags are like keywords so that other people can know what the topic is about.

09-11-2008	#3 (permalink)
dodgeboy Water Injection Newb Year: 2001 Make: Dodge Model: Ram 2500 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3	Re: new need some help is the current controller the 2.5 bar and if so what exactly does the 2.5 bar mean. i found a controller from cooling mist that runs off of egts so i might go with that. im not looking for more power, just trying to lower my egts so the truck doesnt defuel, which will in turn produce more power.

09-16-2008	#4 (permalink)
pacemkr86 DevilsOwn Tech Year: 86 Make: Buick Model: T Type Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 644	Re: new need some help the map sensor style controller, will flow the boost from your turbo.. the meth injection will follow your boost ... to keep it simple if you get on it nice and slow and bring the boost in slow, the meth will inject slow.. if you romp down on it hard and fast the injection will do the same.. How much boost are you planning on running? You would prolly need atleast a 3 bar map sensor __________________ Phil Underwood My Turbo Buick

10-05-2008	#5 (permalink)
loch Water Injection Newb Year: 1989 Make: dodge Model: ram Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 7	Re: new need some help I know this is a couple weeks old but. I run 2-18 gph nozzles in my 5.9 first gen. two 12 gph is no where close. But i have a question for you, does banks box control timing and fuel or just one ? If it controls just fuel your egt will jump fast. My truck is an 89 its not intercooled, if i let it it will peg a 1600 egt gauge, but on old ones we dont have the option of timing control like on yours.