[Dust]

Not to flame, but 47 isn't that impressive for beating on it, especially with a 6-speed. 5-speed TDI's are getting low 40's beating on them, and 50-60's when driving nicely. Wish they sold the diesel in Japan. I would be all over it. there are no new diesels lately that aren't in SUVs and get 20-30 mpg.

[Gent]

Oh yeah, certainly the remap has taken it's toll on the economy. Also the aerodynamics of the smart are brutal. Given that, I still think that 47 is pretty good for speeds over 90 mph.

There are two camps with these cars - the guys that chase the economy numbers, and the guys like me that want to make them go faster and corner well. One of the MPG chasers gets 100 MPG with his ForTwo! I'm more interested in having fun.

No worries about the criticism - you can't drive one of these very different cars without hearing everything under the sun. Frankly, I'm surprised I haven't had to trot out the impressive crash test footage for the car. Usually I get stuff along the lines of "I wouldn't want to be hit by a truck in that". (it actually does incredibly well)

[Dust]

I drive one of these
Daihatsu Move 1999, Aero down custom XX Grade - specs and pics at AMAYAMA.COM
Daihatsu Move pictures 1999
In Japan, it's normal, but the friends back home either laugh at the shape, the lack of hp, or really like it.

[Gent]

Very cool. I've wanted a Hi-jet ever since that episode of "Pimp my Ride". There is a growing business for those imports here in Vancouver. Another car we see around here is the Honda Beat, which I've been trying to get my hands on for a while.

[bruce-m]

I love the Smart car, my wife has a Smart car passion 600cc turbo petrol.

We've done exhaust, induction kit and a chip, was 61bhp now 84bhp.

It suffers very very bad from heak soak, so i'm so tempted to fit a kit on it, will be watching this thread very closely.

[Gent]

Originally Posted by dvldoc

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With this vehicle I would either get the 4cly turbo diesel kit and request a D01 nozzle.

Or a universal stage 2 kit with 2.5 bar controller with a DO1 nozzle...

Dvldoc, would a 2.5 bar controller work with my system - isn't it above my car's range?

[dvldoc]

Originally Posted by Gent

Dvldoc, would a 2.5 bar controller work with my system - isn't it above my car's range?

These are the specs I know on the smart car, Since it boost to 16.7 then it will have greater than a 2 bar sensor. Same as VW TDI motors they all run a 2.5 bar map sensor. We always reference before we give you info.


Engine (gasoline)
Three cylinders inline - gasoline/turbocharged
11 psi boost nom, 14.5 psi overboost
Two spark plugs per cyl
Cubic capacity: 599cc.
Bore x stroke (mm): 63.5 x 63.0.
Compression ratio: 9.5:1
Valve gear: Two valves per cylinder.
Max power (bhp): 54 (61 on overboost) at 5250 rpm.
Max torque (lb.ft): 65 at 2250 - 4500 rpm. (71 on overboost)

Diesel (Canada)
799 cc three cylinder turbodiesel
Bore x stroke (mm) 65.5 x 79.0
40.2 hp @ 4200 rpm
73.8 lb-ft torque at 1800-2800 rpm
18.5:1 c.r. 16.7 psi boost

[Gent]

Good to know, thanks and I appreciate your patience.

Next questions: there is always a price to pay with the extra performance. Apart from the obvious effect additional torque and hp would have on the drivetrain, is there any downside to the system?

The windshield washer fluid container on the car is 3 litres. The fuel tank is 22 litres. What kind of boost trigger levels do you think I should set it to if I only want to be filling both tanks at the same time? I'm guessing 10 PSI. I understand it will require some playing around to get right.

The good news is that my mechanic doesn't think post-intercooler installation would be a challenge as much as running the feed from the windshield washer reservoir from the nose to the engine. He has worked with injection systems nominally like yours on gas powered turbo engines about 20 years ago.

[dvldoc]

Originally Posted by Gent

Good to know, thanks and I appreciate your patience.

Next questions: there is always a price to pay with the extra performance. Apart from the obvious effect additional torque and hp would have on the drivetrain, is there any downside to the system?

The windshield washer fluid container on the car is 3 litres. The fuel tank is 22 litres. What kind of boost trigger levels do you think I should set it to if I only want to be filling both tanks at the same time? I'm guessing 10 PSI. I understand it will require some playing around to get right.

The good news is that my mechanic doesn't think post-intercooler installation would be a challenge as much as running the feed from the windshield washer reservoir from the nose to the engine. He has worked with injection systems nominally like yours on gas powered turbo engines about 20 years ago.

There really are no down sides to alcohol injection with a properly installed system, You can make as much power or as little as you want by nozzle size, set points, and alcohol/water mix.

Remember for the most part your not making moster power over stock your just moving most of your power to a lower rpm so now you have more power at less throttle. even a extra 10% to 20% over stock is not going to hurt your vehicle. Vehicles are designed well beyond what there stock hp/tq is.

Your consumption will be pretty low as you will run a DO1 nozzle for your engine and with a 3L tank it will last depending on set points at least a tank of gas easily.

The big bonus you get is more power at less throttle
Lower EGT
Lower engine operating temps
No heat soak effect
No carbon/soot build up
Reduced emissions
Better kilometers per liter
faster spooling turbo
Better throttle response

Just play with your mixes and set point, You should get a very nice gain even from windshield washer fluid. the -28C stuff will give a nice kick since it's 40% methanol.