Progressive Install In a 2G Talon

Talontsi96 · 07-06-2007

Here are some pics for you guys. The good news is the install went smooth and turned out great. The bad news is, I tried the kid out and my car bucked violently once and now it won't idle. It just dies when idling. Now I gotta figure out what happened.

Anyway here are the pics.

Talontsi96 · 07-06-2007

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pacemkr86 · 07-06-2007

nice pics of the install.. how do you like the translator and GM maf ?

Talontsi96 · 07-06-2007

The translator has its issues. It doesnt come properly calibrated and needs a bit of tuning to actually read what the stock MAF reads. I do all my airfllow adjustmensts in DSMLink so the translator stays zeroed out for stock injectors. I'm running 850cc injectors. The GM MAF is nice, totally free flowing and it works nice. Do you guys think that I may have FUBARED my GM MAF since its really close to the nozzle? I mean under boost its fine but in between shifts when the BOV goes, I can see how some water/meth might go through the MAF and perhaps thats what happened and now my car won't idle and runs like crap....

rrussell · 07-06-2007

Nice install!!! On the MAF question I would think its possible. Do you have another GM MAF to try?

pacemkr86 · 07-06-2007

I have limited knowleadge on DSM's but are the mafs from the factory blow threw or draw threw?

Talontsi96 · 07-06-2007

From the factory the DSM MAFs are draw through. When installing the GM MAFT I'd say the majority of people install them in blow through...

pacemkr86 · 07-06-2007

the buick communty has also tried putting our mafs as blow threw and have found no performance or driveablity gaines.. using translators and LS1 mafs.. Not sure on DSM's though

Talontsi96 · 07-06-2007

Well... My current BOV vents to atmosphere so running it in draw through will have issues after blow off since the air will be unaccounted for... Ona stock DSM the BOV vents back into the intake air and the system accounts for it. When rinning the MAF in blow through I end up having no issues with air metering after the BOV blows off...

UofACATS · 07-06-2007

I see the nozzle tapped after the GM MAF. That was going to be my first suggestion, so we're good there. I really don't know for sure, but I think your theory about the meth blowing back through the pipe when the BOV activates is correct because the valve is placed before the GM MAF. All that pressurized air has to go somewhere..

I see you run DSMlink. If you eventually end up purchasing another MAF, here is a way to test out the new GM MAF without blowing meth through it. Use NLTS. (No Lift To Shift) If you have not done the clutch mod, and activated NLTS, you have no idea what you're missing, it's sick!

Using NLTS will mean that inbetween shifts, you boost will not drop into vacuum, and your BOV will not activate. For reference, (all datalogged) I run a small turbo that DIES at redline, (16 psi) and when I'm shifting, the boost drops to about 9psi, then right back to 20 as then next gear engages. At the track, they're like "we can't hear your BOV??"

As far as fixing your current issue, I have no experience with the GM MAF. Having said that, the symptoms point to that being the issue. This advice sucks lol, but... some guys report their car running like garbage after they sucked up some water into the CAI and got the GM MAF wet, then they waited a while until everything was dry and it ran fine again.

07-06-2007	#3 (permalink)
pacemkr86 DevilsOwn Tech Year: 86 Make: Buick Model: T Type Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 644	Re: Progressive Install In a 2G Talon nice pics of the install.. how do you like the translator and GM maf ? __________________ Phil Underwood My Turbo Buick

07-06-2007	#4 (permalink)
Talontsi96 Alcohol Injection Year: 1996 Make: Eagle Model: Talon TSI Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 50	Re: Progressive Install In a 2G Talon The translator has its issues. It doesnt come properly calibrated and needs a bit of tuning to actually read what the stock MAF reads. I do all my airfllow adjustmensts in DSMLink so the translator stays zeroed out for stock injectors. I'm running 850cc injectors. The GM MAF is nice, totally free flowing and it works nice. Do you guys think that I may have FUBARED my GM MAF since its really close to the nozzle? I mean under boost its fine but in between shifts when the BOV goes, I can see how some water/meth might go through the MAF and perhaps thats what happened and now my car won't idle and runs like crap.... __________________ stroked and blown Last edited by Talontsi96; 07-06-2007 at 10:08 AM.

07-06-2007	#5 (permalink)
rrussell Alcohol Injection Year: 1993 Make: eagle talon Model: TSI AWD Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 31	Re: Progressive Install In a 2G Talon Nice install!!! On the MAF question I would think its possible. Do you have another GM MAF to try? __________________ 93 Talon TSI AWD 11.5@119mph 18psi 75shot 6 Bolt-JMTuning Engine/Trans Forced Performance Turbo "Sleeper 16g" 68 Camaro Street Car 523 BBC Pro Race Fogger nitrous system 9.14@152mph

07-06-2007	#6 (permalink)
pacemkr86 DevilsOwn Tech Year: 86 Make: Buick Model: T Type Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 644	Re: Progressive Install In a 2G Talon I have limited knowleadge on DSM's but are the mafs from the factory blow threw or draw threw? __________________ Phil Underwood My Turbo Buick

07-06-2007	#7 (permalink)
Talontsi96 Alcohol Injection Year: 1996 Make: Eagle Model: Talon TSI Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 50	Re: Progressive Install In a 2G Talon From the factory the DSM MAFs are draw through. When installing the GM MAFT I'd say the majority of people install them in blow through... __________________ stroked and blown

07-06-2007	#8 (permalink)
pacemkr86 DevilsOwn Tech Year: 86 Make: Buick Model: T Type Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 644	Re: Progressive Install In a 2G Talon the buick communty has also tried putting our mafs as blow threw and have found no performance or driveablity gaines.. using translators and LS1 mafs.. Not sure on DSM's though __________________ Phil Underwood My Turbo Buick

07-06-2007	#9 (permalink)
Talontsi96 Alcohol Injection Year: 1996 Make: Eagle Model: Talon TSI Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 50	Re: Progressive Install In a 2G Talon Well... My current BOV vents to atmosphere so running it in draw through will have issues after blow off since the air will be unaccounted for... Ona stock DSM the BOV vents back into the intake air and the system accounts for it. When rinning the MAF in blow through I end up having no issues with air metering after the BOV blows off... __________________ stroked and blown

07-06-2007	#10 (permalink)
UofACATS Water Injection Year: 1995 Make: Mitsubishi Model: Eclipse Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 19	Re: Progressive Install In a 2G Talon I see the nozzle tapped after the GM MAF. That was going to be my first suggestion, so we're good there. I really don't know for sure, but I think your theory about the meth blowing back through the pipe when the BOV activates is correct because the valve is placed before the GM MAF. All that pressurized air has to go somewhere.. I see you run DSMlink. If you eventually end up purchasing another MAF, here is a way to test out the new GM MAF without blowing meth through it. Use NLTS. (No Lift To Shift) If you have not done the clutch mod, and activated NLTS, you have no idea what you're missing, it's sick! Using NLTS will mean that inbetween shifts, you boost will not drop into vacuum, and your BOV will not activate. For reference, (all datalogged) I run a small turbo that DIES at redline, (16 psi) and when I'm shifting, the boost drops to about 9psi, then right back to 20 as then next gear engages. At the track, they're like "we can't hear your BOV??" As far as fixing your current issue, I have no experience with the GM MAF. Having said that, the symptoms point to that being the issue. This advice sucks lol, but... some guys report their car running like garbage after they sucked up some water into the CAI and got the GM MAF wet, then they waited a while until everything was dry and it ran fine again.