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Old 09-24-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Default How to for m-TDI

Hello, I am interested in buying your product (VW stage 2)but want to clarify some things before I do. I have a 96 VW m-TDI (1Z) installed in an 86 Vanagon so it is a non-standard situation. I attached a pic of my install with the airflow indicated. I have read your info on the local of the injector and it seems the best place is the intake manifold. I have modified the intake on my engine by cutting off the bend ( to minimize IC piping) that normally holds the EGR valve so I don't have alot of metal to work with (see pic). Can you give me any recommendations on how to get the best out of one of your systems in this situation.

This has a mechanical IP so I have none of the electronics normally associated with this engine. The only thing I could tap into are the pressure lines from the turbo for control of the injection.


Thanks!

Tom Verry

PS The pic probably looks strange because the 1Z is mounted at 50* relative to how it is in a Passat.
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Default Re: How to for m-TDI

the black pipe between the AW and IM, is it hard plastic, silicone, metal, what?
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Thats silicone, two 90s back to back between AWIC and IM (steel coupler)
Steel/silicone between turbo and AWIC
ABS plastic preturbo
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You could install an inside mount into the silicone and use the nozzle and holder to seal it.
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"Map voltage is read and converted to a boost value"

I am also concerned about this, I do not have a MAP sensor. The only possible way I could do progressive control is via the actual boost value and I don't know how to set that up.

I think I could tap into the IM just downstream of the silicone hoses which would put it right where the IM opens up to the full width of the head. Would that be the ideal location?

The VW stage 2 comes with two nozzles, say i get one in upstream of the IM or actually in the IM, where would the other go? Is two even necessary?

I emailed DO last week and now this thread but no response from them, any suggestions on how to get their attention? Is this the wrong forum for these questions?

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Default Re: How to for m-TDI

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"Map voltage is read and converted to a boost value"

I am also concerned about this, I do not have a MAP sensor. The only possible way I could do progressive control is via the actual boost value and I don't know how to set that up.

Thanks, Tom
You could just purchase a MAP sensor from devilsown.
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Default Re: How to for m-TDI

Best place to mount the nozzle is about 6-8 inches away from the IM to give best Distribution and atomisation.

The kit comes with 2 different jet sizes for you to try, on your set up i'd go for a 3gph or 5gph jets.
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You could just purchase a MAP sensor from devilsown.
Very cool, I didn't realize that could be used w/o the ECM. Looks like three wires coming off the harness, is that +/- and the signal wire that goes to the controller?

Thanks for the help.

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A wire on the controller is a 5v output, and a wire is a 5v input. there is also a 5v input and output on the MAP sensor, as well as a ground. So, two wires from the MAP and controller will connect, and then you ground the wires.
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Default Re: How to for m-TDI

Mmmm, I see you have the fantast mechanical Bosch IP with LDA, have you tried tweaking it yet, or the turbo? But back to your problem, I don't see why you can't fit a pressure switch to the boost pipe or didn't you get one in your kit?
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